Dear Pat, You say: "By insisting that the brain phenomena 'correspond to' his experiences, you assume precisely the substance duality which I reject. Why can we not simply say that these events in his head *are* his experiences? His perspective on them is of course different from ours, since his, not ours, is the head in which they occur. But the location of these events in his head is not a private matter." I do not at all insist that brain activities merely `correspond' to experiences. Just the opposite: I *do* allow that the conscious events might *be* brain events. In fact, that is pretty close to what QM is already saying, and I think that further advances in physics will make the identity of experiential events and physical events ever more understandable, and more likely to be the fact of the matter. My claim has to do only with the logical structure of classical mechanics, in the broad sense that includes the way that it conceives the connection between its mathematical portions and our experiences. Classical mechanics is, I claim, a rational scheme that includes in a coherent and rational way an account of how its mathematical content is connected with our experience. It is this second part that allows the theory to have the great relevance to our lives that it in fact does. Einstein in his analysis leading to the special theory of relativity identified the events of the theory as the points of intersection of trajectories of particles placed against a backdrop of various clock and ruler readings, which allowed the spacetime locations of these events to be described in quantitative terms. These concepts of intersections of trajectories and readings on clocks and rulers are clearly abstractions from what we human beings are able to observe about the world around us through the auspices of our senses. Bohr's readings on other devices are things of the same kind. The close similarity, and natural correspondence, between these *abstractions* from our experiences of the world about us that come to us through our senses and these very sorts of experiences from which they are abstracted is the hook upon which the whole close connection of classical mechanics to experience is based. This is the sort of experience that I briefly described as "views from afar". The essential point is that they are abstractions from the sort of experiences about the world that comes to us chiefly through our sense of vision, though the information is generally confirmable or supported by the testimony of our other senses. And the importance of this sort of abstraction lies in its immediate identifiability with the kinds of experiences from which it was abstracted, the quantitative information these experiences can supply in terms of readings on the devices that we construct in order to increase the quantitative precision of our science, and the fact that it is part of the social fabric of our lives that trained scientists and technicians can communicate about and agree about, and use to construct our social reality. This is how classical mechanics *is in fact* linked into our lives. The scheme is rational because it coordinates aspects of the theory that are abstractions from our experiences of world about us that come to us through our senses to these very kinds of experiences themselves. That is why we are able to make the required judgements about the validity of the correspondences. But the correspondence between these experiences (of the world about us that are brought to us through our senses) and certain abstractions from these very experiences is not the same sort of thing as a connection of a brain activity to an experience that could indeed be the very same thing as that brain activity itself. There is no possibility of saying that the blue flower out in the world as represented by the classical mechanical model *is* the very same thing as someone's experience of it because, for one thing, the blue flower out in the world, as represented by the classical mechanical model, obeys an equation that causes it to persist even when no one is looking at it or thinking about it. But if this second type of connection/identity is a different sorts of thing from the connections that are found in contemporary CM, then one cannot say that the second kind of connection is a *logically necessary part* of classical mechanics. Classical mechanics as we know it is a rational scheme that already has a coherent and rational connection to experienced reality: to add something to it of a completely different kind would make it into something else. In particular to claim that classical mechanics interpreted---as it now is by the scientists that use it---so as to be correlatable to our experiences of hurricanes, and springs, and meter readings, and other experiences of the world about us, brought to us through our senses, must *logically* include also an account of the brain activity that "constitutes" the experience itself seems totally unsupportable by any logic. Since classical mechanics seems to be completely rationally coherent as it stands, it is not enough to simply suggest that perhaps for some unaccountable reason something that thus seems perfectly rationally coherent and self-contained might be in need of drastic revision---not on empirical grounds, which we know in fact to be the case, but for some logical reason---is really too flimsy an argument to be taken seriously. Maybe Euclidian geometry is in need of serious revision for purely logical as opposed to empirical reasons. Maybe. But more than an unsupported "maybe" is needed here. Anything is conceivable. But scientific programs should not be based on just shear unsupported total skepticism: one should look *carefully* at the existing theory, not simply say that in spite of its apparent logical coherence it "just might be" logically incomplete, and that something totally alien to it must be added to it to make logically coherent. If there is some purely logical reason why CM *must* include this other kind of structure then this logical reason should be set forth. If there is no such logical reason, then classical mechanics, construed as is today by physicists, is logically coherent and does entail hurricanes and reading on meters, under appropriate conditions, but does not entail Cs. Hence, *within the framework of CM* zombies are a logical possibility: *within that framework* hurricanes are causally efficacious but consciousness is not. But then *within that coherent framework* such questions as to why Cs is present, and why does it have the form that it has are left in a scientific limbo, as contrasted to a theory in which consciousness is causally efficacious. [I note here that consciousness can be causally efficacious within QM without violating any of the quantum rules, and without being merely an expression of the play of whimsical chance. ] You say: "Surely. The constructions of the conglomerates which you mention are my 'linking sentences' which connect the vocabulary of springs, gases, etc. to that of classical mechanics. If you allow CM to include such descriptions, then I still fail to see why there might not be similar descriptions of subjective things like thoughts and experiences. I have no idea what they would be, let me hasten to add, and indeed cannot even imagine what they would be like; but I see no principled reason why the limitations of my imagination should be considered a proof of impossibility." I have answered this argument by pointing out the principled difference in kind between, on the one hand, the abstractions from our experiences of the world about us that comes chiefly through our visual sense, and that are therefore readily compared by us to experiences of the kind from which they were abstracted, and, on the other hand, the brain activity that *is* our conscious experience, but that is represented within CM as something altogether different from the experience that it actually is: this brain activity is represented within CM by neuron pulses etc, that are not abstractions from "the patch of blue" that the experience actually is. The issue is not the matter of lack of imagination about what is possible; about how physical theory might evolve in the future to accommodate the identity of brain activity and conscious experience. Indeed, I think that this is exactly what will eventually happen, and what the shift to QM has in large measure already achieved. But in speaking of the limitation of your imagination to conceive such a development you must carefully distinguish the limitations that arise from the nature of the logically coherent CM as it exists and is in use today, and as it existed in the early part of this century, from limitations on future theories, which are surely free to depart from the basic structure of CM. The identity of complex functional patterns of neural pulses with conscious experiences is not something that can be *deduced* from a set of principles that are sufficient to allow us to deduce certain things about what our experiences pertaining to the motion of a Foucault Pendulum will be. Best wishes and regards, Henry